WW2D is ready!

[pronvit]

http://ww2d.berlios.de - new version, new site, new forum, new features :)

admins: please unpin old my topic and pin this one

[Beansprout]

Cool :)

I don't see the point in setting up a separate hotspots forum though...

[withak]

If this is going to be pinned, it might be helpful to have a more descriptive title.

[Beansprout]

Gimmie a chance ;)

For reference, the old topic is here: http://forum.worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/index.php?showtopic=4427

[withak]

There are no second chances.

THE INTERNET DEMANDS RESULTS NOW!

[Beansprout]

Well, WW2D is ready NOW, happy? :P

PS - I'll probably clean up this thread in 24hrs or so. If the spam is funny enough, it might get moved to Community Chat :)

[pronvit]

Originally posted by TheBeansprout@Oct 8 2005, 03:11 AM
Cool :)

I don't see the point in setting up a separate hotspots forum though...
Quoted post


I'll have separate hotspots database so that people can publish hotspot right from application and there will be links to discuss hotspot that will automatically create appropriate topic in that forum

[Beansprout]

Originally posted by pronvit@Oct 8 2005, 11:37 AM
I'll have separate hotspots database so that people can publish hotspot right from application and there will be links to discuss hotspot that will automatically create appropriate topic in that forum
Quoted post

Ah right.

Nowak is recoding WWC, so maybe in a couple of weeks we'll be able to code up WW2D to interface with WWC, too.

[pronvit]

2005-10-15 - Version 0.99.86 released! Changes include:

* New Blue Marble Next Generation layers! This is a set of 12 layers with 500m/px resolution for every month of year 2004
* Installator for JOGL libraries
* Several problems fixed on OS X (thanx to Fabrice Labatut, C.C. Miller and G Hussain Chinoy)
* Problem with JOGL on amd64 fixed
* Search dialog!
* Pressing Ctrl key allows to pan/zoom more slowly

[geodan]

WW2D seems to work pretty well. Does anyone know if it can be made to run in an applet? The thought here is to use this via the web.

thanks,
Dan

[pronvit]

no, its not possible as far as I know because JOGL can't be used in applet. only variant is Java WebStart so that user can (download and) start it right from browser

[geodan]

Originally posted by pronvit@Oct 20 2005, 10:21 AM
no, its not possible as far as I know because JOGL can't be used in applet. only variant is Java WebStart so that user can (download and) start it right from browser
Quoted post


thanks for the quick reply. Having a 3D rendering window as an applet or activeX control would be pretty useful...ala Skyline's TerraExplorer PRO. I do realize though, it is difficult to compare these two software packages.

WW2D still is very cool, thanks,
Dan

[eugene33]

Just installed, and worked just fine.
I'm under Gentoo linux, and it's really great

Thanks so much :D

[Ivan Avery Frey]

Originally posted by pronvit@Oct 14 2005, 01:22 PM
2005-10-15 - Version 0.99.86 released! Changes include:

* New Blue Marble Next Generation layers! This is a set of 12 layers with 500m/px resolution for every month of year 2004
* Installator for JOGL libraries
* Several problems fixed on OS X (thanx to Fabrice Labatut, C.C. Miller and G Hussain Chinoy)
* Problem with JOGL on amd64 fixed
* Search dialog!
* Pressing Ctrl key allows to pan/zoom more slowly
Quoted post

I tried installing JOGL but I got these errors:

WW2D JOGL installer 0.99.87 (1.1.1) by Vitaliy Pronkin <pronvit@gmail.com>
Installing on Mac platform
Installing jogl.jar to /Library/Java/Extensions/jogl.jar ...
Error
Installing libjogl.jnilib to /Library/Java/Extensions/libjogl.jnilib ...
Error
Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: net/java/games/jogl/GLCanvas

I don't know what I've missed.

[Ivan Avery Frey]

I should have added that I tried installing WW2D in Panther.

[pronvit]

make sure you have enough permissions to write to /Library/Java/Extensions/, eg. try opening this path and copying something there..

[Ivan Avery Frey]

Originally posted by pronvit@Nov 22 2005, 02:22 PM
make sure you have enough permissions to write to /Library/Java/Extensions/, eg. try opening this path and copying something there..
Quoted post


Yeah, you were right I didn't have proper permissions in that folder, and thus I gave group write permission.

[Guest]

any ww2d updates?

[pronvit]

Originally posted by Guest@Feb 19 2006, 12:58 PM
any ww2d updates?
Quoted post


i'm working on kml support now. also there are some smaller news, check ww2d forums at http://ww2d.csoft.net/forum instead of asking here

[bull]

Cool :)

[patmurris]

I got WW2D running on a 1.7Ghz PC... and it is so slow...
Google Maps runs faster (in javascript ?) !!!

Is that all the performence you get out of JOGL or is there something i missed ?

Note: i was thinking at looking how to extend WW2D to the third dimension... but i'm not so sure now... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif

EDIT april 10: i updated my video card drivers and now it works smoothly !

[pronvit]

Originally posted by patmurris@Mar 2 2006, 10:51 PM
I got WW2D running on a 1.7Ghz PC... and it is so slow...
Google Maps runs faster (in javascript ?) !!!

Is that all the performence you get out of JOGL or is there something i missed ?

Note: i was thinking at looking how to extend WW2D to the third dimension... but i'm not so sure now... :unsure:
Quoted post


I need details about your system. I develop ww2d on notebook in powersaving mode (600 MHz) and it's quite fast.

[patmurris]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(pronvit @ Mar 5 2006, 08:35 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
I need details about your system. I develop ww2d on notebook in powersaving mode (600 MHz) and it's quite fast.
[/b][/quote]
PC, AMD Athlon XP2100+ 1.7GHz, Win XP Pro SP2, 512 Mo RAM, nVidia GeForce 4 MX 440 (not the best) and latest JDK/JOGL...

I'm new to Java/JOGL so I may not have an optimal config yet. Still I feel that the frame rate drops quickly when the window gets bigger - with WW2D and some of the JOGL demos.

Anyway, i started to play around with JOGL (using Eclipse SDK) and i believe there is some potential for a Java version of WW. Since you already did a big part of the work, i think it would be worth tying to expand WW2D to the third dimension.

A first step could be to start mapping the tiles on a sphere with the camera moving around and looking down - that would solve the distortion at high latitudes. Next step would be to deal with terrain elevation and perspective...

What tools are you using for WW2D (Eclipse, Ant...) ?

[vampares]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(eugene33 @ Oct 21 2005, 07:49 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Just installed, and worked just fine.
I'm under Gentoo linux, and it's really great

Thanks so much style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif
[/b][/quote]
I have a gentoo too. Still downloading . . . I hope it as well works for me. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[Shakespeare]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(pronvit @ Oct 7 2005, 10:54 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
http://ww2d.berlios.de - new version, new site, new forum, new features style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
[/b][/quote]

Installs & starts OK for me. I'm using Ubuntu 5.10 on a Sony VAIO laptop with Sun JRE 1.5 (1.6GHz Pentium M, 1GB RAM, Radeon 9600, 1920x1200 screen). The layer manager and other functions appear to work, but it's really slow, especially in fullscreen. In fact, it runs faster in an 8-year-old Dell with Windows2000 (450MHz Pentium 3, 384MB RAM, ATI Rage Pro, 1600x1200 screen).

The biggest difficulty seems to be accessing the tile server:
java.net.UnknownHostException: bccf8c937549dbbe.tileservice.worldwindce ntral.org
How can I get WW2D to access the wwc tile server, or to access an already-existing local cache?

Best Regards,
John.


EDIT UPDATE 2006.03.19 style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

Upgrading drivers from standard ati to accellerated fglrx cured the slowness issue. Ubuntu users should use the commands:
% get the driver from repository
sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
% make sure it's loaded by default at boot
echo fglrx | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
% tell X to use accellerated driver instead of old one
sudo sed -i -e ’s/”ati”/”fglrx”/’ /etc/X11/xorg.conf
% new driver will be loaded at next boot

A new patched JAR file from pronvit improved tile server access (still some issues, however).

- John.

[pronvit]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Shakespeare @ Mar 18 2006, 12:47 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(pronvit @ Oct 7 2005, 10:54 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
http://ww2d.berlios.de - new version, new site, new forum, new features style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

admins: please unpin old my topic and pin this one
[/b][/quote]

Installs & starts OK for me. I'm using Ubuntu 5.10 on a Sony VAIO laptop with Sun JRE 1.5 (1.6GHz Pentium M, 1GB RAM, Radeon 9600, 1920x1200 screen). The layer manager and other functions appear to work, but it's really slow, especially in fullscreen. In fact, it runs faster in an 8-year-old Dell with Windows2000 (450MHz Pentium 3, 384MB RAM, ATI Rage Pro, 1600x1200 screen).

The biggest difficulty seems to be accessing the tile server:
java.net.UnknownHostException: bccf8c937549dbbe.tileservice.worldwindce ntral.org
How can I get WW2D to access the wwc tile server, or to access an already-existing local cache?

Best Regards,
John.
[/b][/quote]

maybe there's some problem with drivers for video card? sometimes it's a bit tricky to install right drivers on linux

yes, BMNG address changed, i'll post update asap

[patmurris]

Just a word to say that i previously complained about sluggish rendering speed, but in fact i was still using the default window video driver for my card.

I updated my nVidia driver and now it fly.

Actually, i wish NWW was as fast and responsive style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[pronvit]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(patmurris @ Mar 18 2006, 10:20 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Just a word to say that i previously complained about sluggish rendering speed, but in fact i was still using the default window video driver for my card.

I updated my nVidia driver and now it fly.

Actually, i wish NWW was as fast and responsive style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
[/b][/quote]

as I remember NWW doing updates and redraws all the time, rising CPU usage to 100% and slowing down itself. i don't understand whi this isn't fixed still (or maybe fixed?) WW2D doing updates and redraws only when needed.

also WW2D is faster because it's not 3D and because of some optimizations of tiles and pathlists drawing

[vampares]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>
The biggest difficulty seems to be accessing the tile server:
java.net.UnknownHostException: bccf8c937549dbbe.tileservice.worldwindce ntral.org
[/b][/quote]
There's a download available w/ the caches but they're in nontrivial .exe format for some reason.

Will any of the addons work? Is this version significantly different from the others?

[bull]

I guess from now on I should release all my add-ons as a zip as well as an exe, I never thought about cross platform compatibility.

[pronvit]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(bull @ Mar 18 2006, 07:10 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
I guess from now on I should release all my add-ons as a zip as well as an exe, I never thought about cross platform compatibility.
[/b][/quote]

add-ons in any case must be converted before using in WW2D but cachepacks definitely should be accessible by non-Windows users

[withak]

Often you can rename a .exe installer to .zip and open it with whatever zip program you want.

[pronvit]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(withak @ Mar 18 2006, 08:25 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Often you can rename a .exe installer to .zip and open it with whatever zip program you want.
[/b][/quote]
not sure linux zip utils will open windows self-extracting zips...

[withak]

They do if it's a real self-extracting zip. Unfortunately, the installer .exes that people usually make here don't work that way.

[Shakespeare]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(vampares @ Mar 18 2006, 01:56 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>
The biggest difficulty seems to be accessing the tile server:
java.net.UnknownHostException: bccf8c937549dbbe.tileservice.worldwindce ntral.org
[/b][/quote]
There's a download available w/ the caches but they're in nontrivial .exe format for some reason.
[/b][/quote]

I already have a large (>100GB) WW cache on a network drive. It's not clear to me how to configure WW2D to use this pre-existing cache and dispense with unnecessary tileserver access.

- John.

[pronvit]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Shakespeare @ Mar 19 2006, 12:03 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(vampares @ Mar 18 2006, 01:56 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>
The biggest difficulty seems to be accessing the tile server:
java.net.UnknownHostException: bccf8c937549dbbe.tileservice.worldwindce ntral.org
[/b][/quote]
There's a download available w/ the caches but they're in nontrivial .exe format for some reason.
[/b][/quote]

I already have a large (>100GB) WW cache on a network drive. It's not clear to me how to configure WW2D to use this pre-existing cache and dispense with unnecessary tileserver access.

- John.
[/b][/quote]

Find DataDir attribute for layer you want in Earth/!Base/!Base.xml and set it to ^path-to-your-cache-folder(where 0,1,2,3.. folders located)/ (notice ^ at start and / at end).
I think this will work style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[pronvit]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Shakespeare @ Mar 18 2006, 12:47 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
[The biggest difficulty seems to be accessing the tile server:
java.net.UnknownHostException: bccf8c937549dbbe.tileservice.worldwindce ntral.org
How can I get WW2D to access the wwc tile server, or to access an already-existing local cache?

Best Regards,
John.
[/b][/quote]
download update from http://ww2d.csoft.net/index.php?title=Update

[Shakespeare]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(pronvit @ Mar 18 2006, 11:32 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Shakespeare @ Mar 18 2006, 12:47 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
[The biggest difficulty seems to be accessing the tile server:
java.net.UnknownHostException: bccf8c937549dbbe.tileservice.worldwindce ntral.org
How can I get WW2D to access the wwc tile server, or to access an already-existing local cache?

Best Regards,
John.
[/b][/quote]
download update from http://ww2d.csoft.net/index.php?title=Update
[/b][/quote]

Hi Vitaliy,
Thanks. It now downloads Blue Marble Old and Blue Marble Next Generation layers OK, but java still generates the unknown host error for NLT Landsat and Community Landsat.

[Shakespeare]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(pronvit @ Mar 18 2006, 11:18 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Shakespeare @ Mar 19 2006, 12:03 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(vampares @ Mar 18 2006, 01:56 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>
The biggest difficulty seems to be accessing the tile server:
java.net.UnknownHostException: bccf8c937549dbbe.tileservice.worldwindce ntral.org
[/b][/quote]
There's a download available w/ the caches but they're in nontrivial .exe format for some reason.
[/b][/quote]

I already have a large (>100GB) WW cache on a network drive. It's not clear to me how to configure WW2D to use this pre-existing cache and dispense with unnecessary tileserver access.

- John.
[/b][/quote]

Find DataDir attribute for layer you want in Earth/!Base/!Base.xml and set it to ^path-to-your-cache-folder(where 0,1,2,3.. folders located)/ (notice ^ at start and / at end).
I think this will work style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
[/b][/quote]

Hi Vitaliy,
This worked fine - now the local cache is used for all NLT and BMNG tile sets. Thanks!

[patmurris]

Just a word to let you know i've been working on a 3D view for WW2D. Still in alpha but coming together...

You can find some news and screen shots on this page (http://www.alpix.com/3d/worldwin/WW2d_Java.html).

http://www.alpix.com/3d/worldwin/WW2D_Java/WW2D_3D_screen15_s.jpg

[bull]

Great work, you are going to beat 1.5 in cross platforming WW.

P.S. - Sorry I haven't replyed to your last email yet, 1.3.4 is keeping me quite busy.

[pronvit]

Many changes are coming in next version of WW2D http://ww2d.csoft.net/index.php?title=Version_0.99.88

[pronvit]

Version 0.99.88 beta 1 is available

http://ww2d.csoft.net/index.php?title=Version_0.99.88

[sensij]

Version 0.99.88 beta 2 is available ;-)

http://ww2d.csoft.net/index.php?title=Version_0.99.88

[gershwinou]

WW2D seems to work pretty well. Does anyone know if it can be made to run in an applet? The thought here is to use this via the web.

thanks,
Dan

Try java webstart. There is a way to include native library (here JOGL) in webstart.

For Applet probably impossible, without changing the cache system to make it working on the server side...

[what_nick]

Hey ppl I already did a webstart and Installer for ww2d+1. I dont think it uses the lastest version.
But please check it out:
http://www.apogee.com.au/nextimage-java/nextimage-java.jnlp
Re the packagers are not responsible for any bugs and I only wrote portions of the terrain code. Please contact Vitaliy and Patrick Murris for fixes.

[pronvit]

Currently I have poor internet connection and can't upload binary distribution but CVS at http://sf.net/projects/ww2d has already everything that will be in next version, this includes (in comparison with 0.99.87):

*New modern UI
*Scripting support - write your powerful scripts in Java-like language right in WW2D
*WMS support - WMS servers was supported before but now with simple configuration
*Internationalization - English and Russian UI currently available
*Improved layer manager - configure colors/fonts/opacity with several clicks and save as many configurations as you want for loading later
*Bookmarks - instantly mark interesting place with icon and short description (syncing with server is in development)
*Add-on manager - see what add-ons with what versions are installed, pack your own add-on for distribution as single-file package or install such package
*Support for multi-user environments - each user can have separate configuration and set of add-ons but share single cache while WW2D itself can be now installed in read-only location
*Native DevIL library is used for faster image loading
*Support for downloading/autoupdating image overlays from internet and for legends for ImageOverlay layers
*Setings editor - easily configure many internal parameters
*Full support for working behind proxy server
*Select-area-to-zoom feature and distance measurement
*Much better support for image layers in Mercator projection
*Large number of other improvements and internal changes for faster and more stable operation

[what_nick]

I guess you are using Netbeans Projects.Any plans to integrate the 3D support from Patrick Murris?

I have used an XSD->class generator castor for KML parsing in Java.It is very easy to use afterwards you can slowly add render methods to each object.

Regards,
what_nick.

[pronvit]

yes, netbeans.
No plans. I want to keep it 2D (3D mode may be available optionally but 2D is must-have for me). So I'm not going (and don't have time) to do anything 3D-related myself but of course will help if someone will maintain 3D part.

[pronvit]

I have used an XSD->class generator castor for KML parsing in Java.It is very easy to use afterwards you can slowly add render methods to each object.

Regards,
what_nick.

Yes, maybe this is good idea however it seems I like to do more things manually to get cleaner and more optimized code. I'll look what such generators produce.

[pronvit]

WW2D 0.99.88 Release Candidate 1 is available

http://ww2d.org/images/ss-osx-full-thumb.jpg

Installation packages are available for Windows, MacOS X and Linux.
Website is greately updated and moved to its own domain, http://ww2d.org

[nlneilson]

Tried the program, very good!

Ordered the CD from Sun for the IDE.

Tried to download your source with TortoiseSVN but just got errors.
http://ww2d.cvs.sourceforge.net/ww2d/
Is this incorrect or is another SVN or something required.
Read the data on downloading but still confused.

[nlneilson]

Will answer the question in my last post, 3 months ago, may help someone else.
The source can be downloaded with TortoiseCVS.
There are 3 files in the source known to be corrupt
jcalendar.jar
l2fprod-common-all.jar
idw-gpl.jar
http://forum.ww2d.org/viewtopic.php?pid=195

have not been able to find a site for downloading idw-gpl.jar

Any help on this?

[withak]

You know you can use subject pronouns every once in a while, right? WWC isn't that hard up for bandwidth. :)

[nlneilson]

I appreciate the help on my grammar, I really do, otherwise it would get more worser.

Could someone attach the idw-gpl.jar to a post, less than a meg, or is the bandwidth reserved for images?

[5of0]

I appreciate the help on my grammar, I really do, otherwise it would get more worser.
Then FYI, "more worser" is quite overkill.

more bad = worse
more good = better

most bad = worst
most good = best

more worser = more more badder, which is not proper English quite at all. :)

[nlneilson]

"more worser" ~ pun for my grammar

I downloaded WW2d Version_0.99.88 exe, just a blank screen, no images except a rectangular box in the left upper corner with the continents outlined and a line from the upper left to the lower right of that small box.
I have installed Java 1.6 (Platform SE 6 Version 6.0.0.105)
This is on my latest computer, fired up the previous computer that had WW2d working before, same thing, no images. Had also updated Java on that computer, had not run WW2D since then.

Has anyone been able run WW2D with Java Platform SE 6 or have I managed to mess something up?

edit: Just a suggestion. If WW2D is to continue to be supported have a core that will run on the latest platform of Java. Have everything else that is just extra bells and whistles as plugins or add-ons. As ww has done so well, developers could fix the bugs and send you the code, you could modify the bug fix, include it as it is or whatever. It is/was a good program, fast, minimal cpu/memory usage and in Java.

[Chade]

Try the Java SDK 1.5 (that is SE 5 - zzz @ Sun versioning) instead. I don't know that there's any changes that'll break stuff, but it might matter...

[nlneilson]

Problem solved, WW2d uninstalled, all related files deleted and hd defragged.
I will wait for the ww java version.

[Chade]

Yeah, because it's a virus... :/

[nlneilson]

I was not implying there is anything wrong with WW2d, just that I had wasted way too many hours on it. Checked the posts by pronvit and the last in this forum was 8/31/2006. Initially had problems even downloading the source.
Checked his site, even sent him an an email with no response re idw-gpl.jar, which he knew was corrupt, and from a post on the forum at his site "download them from appropriate websites". Do a google search and see if you can find a site to download that file, good luck.
That file may be just adding a bit of "cuteness" to his ap but NetBeans 6.0 will not even open the source because of this error. Can not get into the code to try and find and try and eliminate any reference to this file.
If WW2D will not run under the latest version of Java 1.6 do not want to reload the older version just for his ap, especially since I can not do anything with the source without idw-gpl.jar

[patmurris]

I gave up too last november... i had trouble with some of the libs he used for the new user interface.

World Wind Java should come out before summer...

[Jacob]

I tried to use this on my Ubuntu Linux computer, but it didn't seem to work...
http://i8.tinypic.com/6y3bkp2.png
Maybe it has something to do with my horrible video card?

[patmurris]

Can you run WorldWind Java?

[Jacob]

No, it doesn't seem to work either...

jacob@ubuntu:~/Desktop/ww$ java BasicDemo.jar
Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: BasicDemo/jar

And with the web start one:
http://i13.tinypic.com/6k8xes1.png

[patmurris]

This typical of 'old' video cards or dated video drivers. Did you update your drivers?

[Jacob]

Did you update your drivers?

Still didn't work. I guess it is too old :(